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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:05:00 -
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So, at this point...the state of PC consists of one alliance dominating most of MH. Some may have issues with it, others may not. Only the stronger corps are able to even try and compete. But if the stronger corps are not able to top the most strongest corp, then competition ultimately fades.
You also have some corps that claim to help increase PC activity by selling their districts to weaker corps. But what good is that when those weaker corps are attacked by more stronger, vet corps looking to enter or expand in MH? Some say, PFC is helping by allowing some of the weaker or newer corps a place to train. Well, I don't need to reiterate my opinion on that. But simply, what's the point if they can't even move a toe outside of PFC?
So, this is an idea that I recently thought of...you guys can discuss what you think. I propose that all of the vet or stronger corps (or even corps that feel that they are in that category) hold themselves to only a few districts or a planet.....give all of the new, indie, or lower tiered corps all of the other districts and just merc out!?!?
What does this accomplish? Well, a lot of corps are saying that they don't pc or care about pc because of lag or whatever. I, personally believe they're saying that because they feel that they can't compete. If you can compete in pc, then I think that you would if you had the resources. Some corps are only out because of lack of activity and not able to field players or burnout. But these are corps that can compete in pc and they would merc out anyway.
This helps everyone and is a win-win situation on every side, imo. For low-tiered corps, you will now be able to fight other low-tiered corps outside of PFC and expand. This will also allow for PFC corps to utilize what they've been training for all this time :). If you're short a few guys, then you hire a merc team, squad, or players. If you have the ISK and don't want to actually fight a battle, or maybe you're expanding into a different timezone, then you hire from any of the known merc corps.
For the vet corps....we will have our own set of districts of planet so we will still earn passive ISK. But now, our pc activity will be up without the demand to being online 24/7 defending districts. Corps like AE that has all of those districts but not a lot of pc matches will now have much more activity. At the same time, there is nothing stopping you from launching against another vet corp's district or planet.
There are 254 districts on MH....we can get all of those corps out of pubs, FW, PFC....there would be a lot of conflict as corps are trying to expand into MH. If there are wars with indie alliances, corps, etc..merc corps would definitely get even more action.
So, what are your thoughts? Of course all of the vet corps holding land in MH will have to agree to make this a reality. But I think that this is the only way to increase activity in MH. Only if activity in MH is increased, will CCP open up more of New Eden.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:17:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Sounds good.... on paper. Try convincing anyone who has land to give it up, easier said than done.
My idea
AE and nyain san push for 100% control of MH, lock all districts, make CCP fix this ****.
Then sell or give away all of them.
well, that's up to all of the corps to give it up, really. They would have to want pc to strive on their own to do it themselves. I know it would be hard for them...but I do read posts saying that AE is trying to help pc.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:28:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:We have been for a while.
I'm not doubting that you guys are...I have no idea. I'm just saying, that if you guys sell or give districts to low-tiered corps, what is stopping a vet corp from attacking them to expand. Especially, if they can't be AE? Only other way is to remove the threat and to just merc out.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:46:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I'm not doubting that you guys are...I have no idea. I'm just saying, that if you guys sell or give districts to low-tiered corps, what is stopping a vet corp from attacking them to expand. Especially, if they can't be AE? Only other way is to remove the threat and to just merc out. Selling districts to newer corps is also just another method to ensure they never get anywhere. By selling the district, you ensure they'll never recoup their investment on it, and hence never really be able to afford to branch out from there. If someone spends over 100 mil on a district from you, and then another corp takes it from them two days later, all you did was take their money, you didn't help them much.
well, corps can't be given everything. They will still have to earn their place. Difference is...they will have more of a chance of staying in pc. Because vet corps wouldn't (ideally, of course) take it from them because they are mercing out. If they spend $100M, then that's ok because now they have a district that they can earn ISK off of. Plus, their members should split that bill.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:48:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:That's what the game needs, but again, as others have said, good luck convincing people to do it. Both Oddelulf and Altbrard have offered fantastic opportunities for combat to other groups, but so many people just want to camp on as many districts as possible and lock them, that it's not even worth investing in attacking districts. Because if you take them, Nyain will take them from you in two days and move the timer to 4 AM.
If top-end corps even restrained themselves to trying to hold a planet, that would be enough. Make a homeworld. If you like someone else's homeworld, kick them off of it, and then abandon the old one.
I won't be sending any pms trying to convince anyone. I propose this idea and the community, vet corps included, decides what they would like to do. If everyone wants pc to thrive, then they should get behind it. If they don't want the pc/dust to succeed, then it is what it is.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:49:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:Fix district locking fix MH.
This fixes it...don't you think? There will be no need to lock the district since vet corps will be mercing out anyway. Any lower tiered corp that is locking districts won't need to because now they will be able to defend their districts against other lower tiered corps.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 21:56:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:I am against this because it does not follow the "teach them to fish" theory, what will they learn if they are simply handed districts?
It will be no different than the original land grab. These guys will still have to defend their districts because all of their districts will be at risk..unlike what's going on in PFC.
People have to be practical....some corps just can't beat some corps. Some top corps can't beat some top corps. This means that most of the corps on dust will never be able to participate in PC, thus making it dull. Because less than 5 corps can EVEN
compete.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:01:00 -
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undeadsoldier90 wrote:iTbagyou wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Fix district locking fix MH. Which will in no way solve the issue dubbs has said. So.... if all of the locked districts were unlocked nothing would change? Seriously? If they can't lock they have to fight, and possibly lose. Most people lock because they can't defend..
Exactly....but the skill gap will be severely reduced. If AE or FA doesn't have interest in flipping districts....corps will not lock. No disrespect to ML but they unlocked once they thought they were blue with AE...am I right?
The MLs would attack and defend against the Warravens.....why? because they have a better chance at each other than AE or FA. At the same time, using AE or FA to help strengthen their team or fill ranks.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:06:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:As much as I would like to see more action in PC I just don't think this idea will work until the locking of districts is fixed. Because all it would do is take what corps have earned and fought for and give it to new corps to farm.
The mechanic itself need to be rethought I'm glad people are thinking of ways to fix this but this idea isn't the one.
Obviously fixing the profitable locking of districts will help, but we need more.
And having been with A.E since the beginning I can definetly sympathize with how frustrating it is to get into PC. Cause I can tell you any district we got from day one Team players was beating on our door and did not make it easy for us to get where we are today we took some beatings but in the end it is what forged our corp.
I remember when EOn ruled MH and I had some of the same thoughts the fact that a strong group of 16 can basically control most of the districts has long been something I've question as the best way to run PC mechanics.
So what is the solution? Multiple battles played at the same time best 2 out of 3 forcing more players into corps giving more people the enjoyment of playing these type battles?
Tiered levels of PC based on what though? Tournament style.
I hope we can encourage more people to get into PC and eventually bring more players to the game as well.
You guys have to see that corps only lock districts because of the big boys. If the "big boys" don't have the interest, they will not lock.
And to get back to your point....it is hard to get into pc when the big boys are constantly knocking at your door. AE is a tough corp and arguably the top corp in the game. But AE definitely got there because EoN went inactive. Does that mean, that AE would never have been able to hold districts? No..of course not because you guys were getting wins but EoN's inactivity allowed for AE's rise. Now, what are new corps supposed to do now? Wait for AE to disband or go inactive? I get the reason why people lock their districts....they will not be allowed to grow.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:07:00 -
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sL1p-k-NOT wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:So, at this point...the state of PC consists of one alliance dominating most of MH. Some may have issues with it, others may not. Only the stronger corps are able to even try and compete. But if the stronger corps are not able to top the most strongest corp, then competition ultimately fades.
You also have some corps that claim to help increase PC activity by selling their districts to weaker corps. But what good is that when those weaker corps are attacked by more stronger, vet corps looking to enter or expand in MH? Some say, PFC is helping by allowing some of the weaker or newer corps a place to train. Well, I don't need to reiterate my opinion on that. But simply, what's the point if they can't even move a toe outside of PFC?
So, this is an idea that I recently thought of...you guys can discuss what you think. I propose that all of the vet or stronger corps (or even corps that feel that they are in that category) hold themselves to only a few districts or a planet.....give all of the new, indie, or lower tiered corps all of the other districts and just merc out!?!?
What does this accomplish? Well, a lot of corps are saying that they don't pc or care about pc because of lag or whatever. I, personally believe they're saying that because they feel that they can't compete. If you can compete in pc, then I think that you would if you had the resources. Some corps are only out because of lack of activity and not able to field players or burnout. But these are corps that can compete in pc and they would merc out anyway.
This helps everyone and is a win-win situation on every side, imo. For low-tiered corps, you will now be able to fight other low-tiered corps outside of PFC and expand. This will also allow for PFC corps to utilize what they've been training for all this time :). If you're short a few guys, then you hire a merc team, squad, or players. If you have the ISK and don't want to actually fight a battle, or maybe you're expanding into a different timezone, then you hire from any of the known merc corps.
For the vet corps....we will have our own set of districts of planet so we will still earn passive ISK. But now, our pc activity will be up without the demand to being online 24/7 defending districts. Corps like AE that has all of those districts but not a lot of pc matches will now have much more activity. At the same time, there is nothing stopping you from launching against another vet corp's district or planet.
There are 254 districts on MH....we can get all of those corps out of pubs, FW, PFC....there would be a lot of conflict as corps are trying to expand into MH. If there are wars with indie alliances, corps, etc..merc corps would definitely get even more action.
So, what are your thoughts? Of course all of the vet corps holding land in MH will have to agree to make this a reality. But I think that this is the only way to increase activity in MH. Only if activity in MH is increased, will CCP open up more of New Eden. Wow +1 a very good post....i am really surprised that just you bring this idea but if you mean this really i agreed with you. Maybe a way too is if ccp gives the choice back to make contracts without districts?
I'm surprised you're surprised :)
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:09:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Sounds good.... on paper. Try convincing anyone who has land to give it up, easier said than done.
My idea
AE and nyain san push for 100% control of MH, lock all districts, make CCP fix this ****.
Then sell or give away all of them. well, that's up to all of the corps to give it up, really. They would have to want pc to strive on their own to do it themselves. I know it would be hard for them...but I do read posts saying that AE is trying to help pc. It's a valiant effort Dubbs, but here's the simpler solution: The corps that want PC to survive need to come up with training programs for corps trying to break in, effective ones, and the newer corps have to be willing to engage with those programs. The issue is not only that many of these corporations don't have districts, it's that they don't even have the necessary introduction to organization and tactics in general, Skirmish 2.0 tactics in particular, to get started even. The only way they're going to get that introduction is by having their ground commanders and core players participate in some battles run by a team that already knows what they're doing. Or at least that's the quickest way. Despite that being hard, trying to get that kind of program in place and engaged isn't as hard as trying to get people to give up land.
Only way to learn is to put both feet forward. What did KEQ and the rest of the original PC corps do when pc started? All that the rest of us can do is allow them to have fights on their skill level and learn that way.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
2287
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:21:00 -
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Leither Yiltron wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Leither Yiltron wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:undeadsoldier90 wrote:Sounds good.... on paper. Try convincing anyone who has land to give it up, easier said than done.
My idea
AE and nyain san push for 100% control of MH, lock all districts, make CCP fix this ****.
Then sell or give away all of them. well, that's up to all of the corps to give it up, really. They would have to want pc to strive on their own to do it themselves. I know it would be hard for them...but I do read posts saying that AE is trying to help pc. It's a valiant effort Dubbs, but here's the simpler solution: The corps that want PC to survive need to come up with training programs for corps trying to break in, effective ones, and the newer corps have to be willing to engage with those programs. The issue is not only that many of these corporations don't have districts, it's that they don't even have the necessary introduction to organization and tactics in general, Skirmish 2.0 tactics in particular, to get started even. The only way they're going to get that introduction is by having their ground commanders and core players participate in some battles run by a team that already knows what they're doing. Or at least that's the quickest way. Despite that being hard, trying to get that kind of program in place and engaged isn't as hard as trying to get people to give up land. Only way to learn is to put both feet forward. What did KEQ and the rest of the original PC corps do when pc started? All that the rest of us can do is allow them to have fights on their skill level and learn that way. KEQ and the rest of the original corps were all old beta corps, and like RND and KEQ many were old MAG clans. In the worst case we at least had a great understanding of the way we needed to utilize comms, organize players, and dance with the mechanics. I'm not saying that your typical newer corp isn't totally capable of learning that, but they can learn it quite a bit faster with a quick crash course in "look at how we do it". After you have that initial realization of "okay, so this is how much organization we need to have" the tactics and strategies can follow after a few battles on skill level.
Not every old beta corp had experience like that. Some used to play 8v8 but more had no experience running 16v16 battles with tanks and 5 letter maps, etc.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:25:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:I understand why corp lock their districts its to survive however it shouldn't be profitable.
The problem with your idea is if corps do get free districts and never use them because they lock them profitably we still haven't gotten any where.
Then it also becomes extremely hard to police as any corp who has tried can tell you. Can't kick em out if they are permalocked.
If new corps want to get their foot in the door they should try and negotiate their way in. Who decides which corps can fight who?
I want a fix too I just don't think this is the one.
But having multiple fights simultaneously to take a district will certainly increase the need for more players in corps and giving more players playing time.
district locking is not the reason why more corps aren't in pc. I understand it's AE's biggest issue with PC because they want to wipe a lot of corps off the map. But it really isn't the biggest hinder.
If district locking is fixed...how does that help pc become more active?? what will happen is AE will attack those not locking their districts and then what? Even if you guys decide to hand it to a lower tiered corp.....vet corps will just attack them and take it from them anyway just to get back into pc.
The threat from stronger vet corps has to be eliminated and allow for smaller, newer, lower skilled corps to get in to pc
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 22:43:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Too many crybabies in thread pls move to general.
If you're in MH for honor and competition then you're doing it wrong.
PC is for those seaking wealth
ISK is definitely the reward. Think about how much you'd earn if there were a multitude of corps pc'ing daily.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:02:00 -
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KenKaniff69 wrote:What do you think about the classic chromosome corp battles returning, ydubbs? maybe in both 16v16 and 8v8
They should....no harm in them coming back.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:13:00 -
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Long Evity wrote:Mr Machine Guns wrote:A coulpe of things they could do is open more district up, hopefully if they do t open more up we can set up an area for newer corps to go and put something in the game that you can do if isk you earn from district just hoarding it all into a wallet seems ridiculous, i don't know maybe a Cannon that can shot at eve support to help corps that don't have it, this idea might be good but to implemented now would be tough pü¿püìpü½µêæpÇàpü»Nyainpé¦pâ¦püîs¦ÅpüòpüÅTÜèpü¿s£¦sƒƒtñ+S+ÜpéÆsè¬püæpéïpüôpü¿péƵ£ƒs+àpüÖpéïpüôpü¿püîpüºpüìpü+püÖn+ƒ
He doesn't know what that means lol
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:22:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Ydubbs, I have never talked to you in game or held a real conversation with you on the forum outside of persnickety comments back and forth, so I have no good founding for what to think about your post. I have always been vocal about wanting to help indie corps and voted to keep ANON's share low because I think gorging yourself on land is generally a bad thing, but I find a bit of humor in this coming from the CEO of a corp that was in EoN. and one that had held as much land as AE does now. You did not bring up this idea then and your very corp members act like what is going on is somehow different.
Now, I will give you the benefit of the doubt considering I feel your altruism is genuine, but what will happen when the next big push goes on? I think what EoN. and now Renegade have proven is that this game is inherently shallow... outside of broken, boring, and ultra repetitive game modes there is no true expansion. For such a grandiose and expansive game when it comes to weapons and suits and what not, there is little else to enjoy. Maybe PC should burn and be forgotten...
Since you haven't had a conversation with me or know the history of Ahrendee and our intentions and what we are about....I can understand why you find humor in it.
Thing is...we never really wanted as many districts as we had when we were in EoN. We had 6 districts going into EoN and we didn't really want anymore. But they were given them away so we took them. We ended up having battles and taking the rest. If this idea was proposed when we had 28 districts and the community was down for it.....we would have been too. Because again, we wouldn't be given up all of our districts. We would keep a planet and just merc out the rest. Having too many districts isn't all that its cracked up to be unless you have 30 or so players active at random. ISK generation is cool though.
Again....if we did this and a low tiered alliance or corp got too big, then the merc corps would just take them down.
And also, if AE, NS, FA, STB or whoever else that has districts don't want to do this...then it is what it is. I'm not going to belittle or think negative of a corp that doesn't want to do this. I'm just proposing an idea because a lot of people are tired of playing the same people every single day and I think that it's a travesty that there are so many corps not in pc.
weRideNDie2getha since 2010
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Ydubbs81 RND
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:35:00 -
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demens grimwulff wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:demens grimwulff wrote:Ydubbs, I have never talked to you in game or held a real conversation with you on the forum outside of persnickety comments back and forth, so I have no good founding for what to think about your post. I have always been vocal about wanting to help indie corps and voted to keep ANON's share low because I think gorging yourself on land is generally a bad thing, but I find a bit of humor in this coming from the CEO of a corp that was in EoN. and one that had held as much land as AE does now. You did not bring up this idea then and your very corp members act like what is going on is somehow different.
Now, I will give you the benefit of the doubt considering I feel your altruism is genuine, but what will happen when the next big push goes on? I think what EoN. and now Renegade have proven is that this game is inherently shallow... outside of broken, boring, and ultra repetitive game modes there is no true expansion. For such a grandiose and expansive game when it comes to weapons and suits and what not, there is little else to enjoy. Maybe PC should burn and be forgotten... Since you haven't had a conversation with me or know the history of Ahrendee and our intentions and what we are about....I can understand why you find humor in it. Thing is...we never really wanted as many districts as we had when we were in EoN. We had 6 districts going into EoN and we didn't really want anymore. But they were given them away so we took them. We ended up having battles and taking the rest. If this idea was proposed when we had 28 districts and the community was down for it.....we would have been too. Because again, we wouldn't be given up all of our districts. We would keep a planet and just merc out the rest. Having too many districts isn't all that its cracked up to be unless you have 30 or so players active at random. ISK generation is cool though. Again....if we did this and a low tiered alliance or corp got too big, then the merc corps would just take them down. And also, if AE, NS, FA, STB or whoever else that has districts don't want to do this...then it is what it is. I'm not going to belittle or think negative of a corp that doesn't want to do this. I'm just proposing an idea because a lot of people are tired of playing the same people every single day and I think that it's a travesty that there are so many corps not in pc. Sorry for the long, nested quotes... On my cell phone. I can appreciate that sentiment and I feel the same way as you. I am not one for PC on a large scale, but it is what it is. I just wish isk wasn't the benefit, as no one cares about that, really.
especially all of the vet corps.....we are all mostly paid.....which is another reason why this should happen.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:38:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:I've been semi vocal on the fact PC is completely broken. In a video game, you should never allow one group or alliance to dominate. It's just bad for a video game. Players lose interest, and then the game suffers.
Corp contracts were fun, and I wish they came back.
If you want to help PC quickly, I think you need to come up with smaller ideas that are built on competition and fun. For instance, one of the large corps can set aside a planet. Then everyone interested in trying to conquer that planet signs up with a small entry fee. But in order to create competition and fun, you split the corps up into four tiers. You have A, B, C, and D corps. Every team has to be made up of players from each tier.
So, in four squads of four, one squad is all A corp players; one B, C, and D. Se\7eN, most likely a D tier corp, could be on a team with a four-man squad of AE, for instance.
Winning team takes the pot. Best thing is that you can rinse and repeat this process by mixing up the corps again.
Just one idea, but something fun that will generate interest. I think something everyone needs to realize is that the players control PC. Some will say that's a bad thing, but it can be turned into a huge positive.
we don't have to be so creative.....a very simple solution would suffice. Eliminate the threat of skilled corps attacking districts and just mercing out. No corp will ever become what EoN or what RA is because the better corps will all be merc corps. Back in the early pc days, there were so many corps here...this wasn't a problem.
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Posted - 2014.01.18 23:58:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:kiarbanor wrote:I've been semi vocal on the fact PC is completely broken. In a video game, you should never allow one group or alliance to dominate. It's just bad for a video game. Players lose interest, and then the game suffers.
Corp contracts were fun, and I wish they came back.
If you want to help PC quickly, I think you need to come up with smaller ideas that are built on competition and fun. For instance, one of the large corps can set aside a planet. Then everyone interested in trying to conquer that planet signs up with a small entry fee. But in order to create competition and fun, you split the corps up into four tiers. You have A, B, C, and D corps. Every team has to be made up of players from each tier.
So, in four squads of four, one squad is all A corp players; one B, C, and D. Se\7eN, most likely a D tier corp, could be on a team with a four-man squad of AE, for instance.
Winning team takes the pot. Best thing is that you can rinse and repeat this process by mixing up the corps again.
Just one idea, but something fun that will generate interest. I think something everyone needs to realize is that the players control PC. Some will say that's a bad thing, but it can be turned into a huge positive. we don't have to be so creative.....a very simple solution would suffice. Eliminate the threat of skilled corps attacking districts and just mercing out. No corp will ever become what EoN or what RA is because the better corps will all be merc corps. Back in the early pc days, there were so many corps here...this wasn't a problem. I appreciate your optimism, but I just don't see that big of an idea happening. All you're doing is perpetuating the main issues in this game. Even if the big corps only merc, they will be the only ones playing this game. For the majority, that is all that happens now. AE will be hired to play Fatal Absolution again, and again, and again. You have to think of a better way to get everyone involved and competing. Plus, we need a way more people learn how to compete so they can go off and actually play PC.
Corps will only merc out if they need to. And this is the thing...it wouldn't be just AE vs FA. It could be AE vs AE, FA vs FA, RND vs AE, TRE vs TP or whatever. Or, it would be Top Men vs TSO. If there are a multitude of corps involved, then I believe the merc game will be in full swing. Because there are corps that can't field a full 16 but could be supplemented with merc players. Maybe you have stacked timers...I mean, I could go on.
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TechMechMeds wrote:I forgot to put though that granted there will be corps too scared to compete but a large majority have certain standards when it comes to time invested vs satisfaction. A game mode that's laggy, kicks your team mates and can be exploited is simply unacceptable but the lag fix is good enough for swamp. We might just organised matches and do crazy themed ones. Granted if our alliance wants war we'll eat that sht sandwich with them  o7
I don't believe corps that can compete....don't because of lag or D/Cs. I mean, you can be d/c'ed out of a pub match or FW. Exploits are done in pub matches and FW just as bad as pc. Yet, here we all are.....if dudes can deal with it for a pub match, then they would deal with it in pc where you can actually benefit with ISK.
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LittleCuteBunny wrote:Giving indie corps a free pass to MC is not the solution... I rather see them training before they enter MH scene, instead giving them free districts just for them to lose them in a few hours or days.
The old corporate contract system needs to be put into place as an alternative which may serve merely as training, betting, indie tournaments, just like the 8vs8 system helped ppl get ready for PC last year.
They would lose them to other weaker corps...that's the premise. Other sort of corps that they can come back and reattack...other corps that they have a chance of winning. Corps don't pc because who are they going to attack? I remember being attacked by unknown corps looking to break into PC but they just got smoked. If it were a corp on their level, then they may have tried again if they were close to winning. Or, maybe they would've won...or maybe they could hire a few mercs and get an edge.
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TechMechMeds wrote:Corp battles coming back would be ace, I preferred them over pc anyway. If they get implemented again, it'd be sweet to pick 6v6, 8v8 or 16v16.
Only thing is....I remember having contracts out and noone picking them up. Or, all of the noshow matches.
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Spartacus Dust wrote:First PC 2.0
Or the above mentioned ideas like introducing PVE or doing FW for the time being is another idea.
I personally think the problem is Molden Heath is too small and some of the mechanics for PC could use improvement too.
As for the movement to tell Renegade they are bullies or plead them to give up districts, you might as well hang out in your merc quarters and start chanting:
"We, are, the 99 Percent!"
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I've said my piece.....it personally doesn't matter to me. As long as I have activity, I can reenter pc somehow. Whether corps decide to do this or not doesn't really affect me. I just feel that this is the best way to get more activity from the many corps not in pc.
I used to feel that opening up more land for dust will help but it won't....the strong or vet corps will just grab onto those even more and lower tiered corps will be afraid to attack. Even if they aren't afraid to attack, they will not be able to hold it as long as vet corps have an interest in districts.
And as long as battles are still won on the ground...fps style....stronger corps (dust side) will continue to beat weaker corps and there will be nothing they can do it. And it won't matter how much eve support they have or how many cheesy weapons CCP decides to come up with. Because better players will use the cheesy weapons better and they will secure Eve backing somehow, someway. Only way a weaker corp will be able to get into pc will be to ally with a top corp and not on their own merit.
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Soraya Xel wrote:BLUNT SMKR wrote:oh i got n idea since the only insentive to hold lots of districts is cause of the isk. how about they take away the isk generation from holding districts n raise the isk amount a merc earns for particapating in a PC matchs. n also give the winning corp a good chunk of isk. so basically the only way a corp to earn isk is to fight. making it so corps dont need to hold lots of districts just enough to launch attacks n stuff.
also the idea of having 16v16 n 8v8 districts is a good idea cause it lets smaller corps get involved in pc n also gives vet corps a new way to test there skills in smaller battles. Inevitably, I think this is what is needed. I think more and more, things DUST did as a cheap stopgap will be replaced more or less by the way EVE works. (I guess DUST devs are learning they should listen to what EVE does, because EVE figured these things out long ago.) Space in EVE doesn't generate ISK, what you do in space generates ISK. (Except for moongoo, but I think that's getting phased out. And you can't run an alliance off moongoo alone anymore.)
listening to what "eve does" would have pushed more fps players away from dust. Passive ISK isn't a gamebreaking aspect to why there isn't more corps in pc.
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Spartacus Dust wrote:Confligration wrote:One simple way to help fix PC is by limiting the amount of districts a corp can have at any given time. And furthermore how many of those districts may be locked at any given time. No. Such a restriction doesn't exist in EVE, because it's lame, if you are capable of doing something, you do it, SANDBOX is what we are creating. Implementing fee's and logistics to keep the district running is a better idea.
This is my problem right here.....just because Eve have or doesn't have something doesn't mean that Dust needs to follow in the same footsteps all of the time. If that's the case....Dust is a shooter, right? We can suggest the same things that other shooters have or don't have when suggestions are made. "Nope, MAG isn't like that, so Dust shouldn't be". .... " Yeah, BF has this, so Dust should have it as well"
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Marad''er wrote:How bout make attacks a que system?
Example:
Corps A, B, and C are in molden heath
Corp A has a district online. Corp B attack district, Corp C can also attack District of corp A but its battle on that district is put on hold after the battle with Corp B. lets say 2 day between attacks.
Only 1 corp can have 1 battle que.
This way no corp can have a perma lock on districts.
Suggestions would be better placed in a thread that's created to stop district locking instead of a thread trying to get more corps into pc.
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Arirana wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:
I appreciate your optimism, but I just don't see that big of an idea happening. All you're doing is perpetuating the main issues in this game. Even if the big corps only merc, they will be the only ones playing this game. For the majority, that is all that happens now. AE will be hired to play Fatal Absolution again, and again, and again. You have to think of a better way to get everyone involved and competing.
Plus, we need a way more people learn how to compete so they can go off and actually play PC.
Honestly I think you're short minded to assume something like this couldn't happen. AE is at the point of attacking their own allies for good fights, and taking out their frustration on forum threads that go no where... who's to say we aren't willing to do something? Right now its its a little impossible for this to happen considering if someone were to deviate from the rules and decide to lock their districts indefinitely, no one could enforce the rules on them. Once district locking is fixed, I predict renegade will go for the full 100% for the f**k of it, then open up MH again with some sort of game plan involved until CCP implements better mechanics to make 1 alliance dominating completely near impossible/not worth it. Ima make a thread to present my ideas on fixing district locking and my ideas on this very matter we are discussing after the fact. Productive train of thought ftw
Wait.....I didnt say that. You quoted the other guy
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LionTurtle91 wrote:Faquira Bleuetta wrote:Faquira Bleuetta wrote:i know the ******* way to balance pc , it clear that 16 vs 16 is extreme hard mode to high number count corp wit 95% useless low ,high sp player VS a small corp elite wit 100 % useful pro player shitload of sp , i have the solution to this problem since the ps3 hardware is weakshit 128 vs 128 is out of question, 1 merc should be only able to fight 2 pc per 24 hour wat do it
mean is tha if during the 24 hour 18 of 61 nyain san districts get attacked they will need 144 or more depending to defend it if merc have not participating pc or play only 1 during the day. I remember mentioning that awhile ago, or maybe being stationed on a planet and it takes time to transfer to another depending on the distance.
I dont see how this will get more people to play pc, but i like this idea.
It's one thing that I do like about eve.....that it takes real time to get to places instead of a teleportation sort of thing. Although, guys will just sign on earlier to get there.
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DJINN Kujo wrote:We find giving districts up to corps that just lock their districts is pointless. So why give up land for a corp to be scared out of their minds enough to lock it and not even experience PC?
It's a good idea, we've given up probably over 50 districts by now, most for free. Then the corps that take them, turn around and lock it, so no point. So we simply quit giving up land.
That's the point of all of this though, Kujo. AE will take districts from a corp and give it to even weaker corps, right? But then those weaker corps will lose their districts to corps that can't compete with AE. Then what happens?...AE takes the districts back from those corps again and the cycle is repeated.
Only solution is to remove the threat of the big boys from the equation. The corps that all other corps can't compete against should just merc out. I'm 100% sure that corps will stop locking their districts if that threat is removed. And I'm sure more corps would participate in pc because they won't be scared of the big boys. They would be able to compete with all of the other corps on their level in pc.
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Bear D'Grassi wrote:Why, as mercs, are we holding real estate anyway? Get rid of the ability to "own" a district.
But, we need an income and not just pubs. Get EVE corps involved, expand PC out of MH and have it affect PI infrastructure denying EVE corp's income. Our ISK then comes from them paying us to do what we do. Hold their districts on planets or attack other districts to enable them to install PI infrastructure.
This of course requires a major reworking of both items, PC and PI. But I believe that PC needs to change dramatically anyway, it needs to be something other than an upscale skirmish match. Make it something entirely unique and worthy of being the pinnacle form of combat in the game. Give it even more room for strategic and tactical play than it has at present.
A nice idea perhaps, doubtfull it could be implemented within the next CPM term or two though. However if we don't ask we don't get.
This is how I thought dust was going to be. And it will get more eve corps involved since it will affect them.
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